Dr. David Alter

Well, what are you yoking together?

What are you tying yourself to?

You're trying to bring together mind and body, okay, to align them in a different direction.

And I think the ancient wisdom recognizes, and we have seen it philosophically over hundreds and hundreds of years, that we continue to struggle with this question of whether mind and body are one.

whether mind and body are two different things.

Descartes talks about the mind as separate from the body.

Other earlier traditions said, uh-uh, they're just different facets of the same thing.

So we have had this awareness and curiosity and methodologies

about what we do about the coexistence of mind and body awareness, things that happen that we're not aware of how much control as Barry talked about, do we have, how often do we feel out of control and how do we respond to that out of control-ness to come back to, as Clarence said, a kind of interior-ness, right?

So these are age old philosophical dilemmas that have been tied to a

bunch of different methodologies as human beings have sought to find a way to exist in this difficult world and not succumb to the stressors and losses and tragedies that happen.

We want to be able to live fully.

We want to be able to smile at the end of the day.

Or as Clarence is alluding to, to put your head on the pillow and be able to have a good night's sleep.

Exactly.

No matter what happened during the day.

So I hope, Stan, I'm answering your question that they're all different forms.

of acting on the awareness that we exist in different domains, conscious, intentional, unaware, reactive to, on top of, a victim of.

They're ancient experiences, right?

A person who feels, boy, I'm on top of the world, but I do have this feeling