Dr. David Burns
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Because, you know, you can't... change yourself with bullshit that you don't believe. Do you think Anne believes that blushing is one of her strengths?
Yeah. To me, that's vastly more powerful. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's a little thing on blushing. Now, how are we doing? That was fun.
Yeah. To me, that's vastly more powerful. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's a little thing on blushing. Now, how are we doing? That was fun.
Oh, yeah. And yeah, it was a great. Yeah, I love this. You know, when you folks send us questions, we have to scratch our heads and figure out how we're going to answer them. And it helps us with our learning. And we hope our answers help you with your learning too. Yeah. And should we call it a day?
Oh, yeah. And yeah, it was a great. Yeah, I love this. You know, when you folks send us questions, we have to scratch our heads and figure out how we're going to answer them. And it helps us with our learning. And we hope our answers help you with your learning too. Yeah. And should we call it a day?
No, but let's take question number five, which is a short one that we won't get bogged down in.
No, but let's take question number five, which is a short one that we won't get bogged down in.
I'll give you first dibs, which I should always be doing on these questions, and then I'll give you my answer.
I'll give you first dibs, which I should always be doing on these questions, and then I'll give you my answer.
I don't know. What do you think? Well, it's close to that. When I first was learning cognitive therapy and I developed externalization of voices where you do, you know, as you're so familiar, the intensive role play back and forth, hitting each other with the patient's negative thoughts. They attack me. I attack them.
I don't know. What do you think? Well, it's close to that. When I first was learning cognitive therapy and I developed externalization of voices where you do, you know, as you're so familiar, the intensive role play back and forth, hitting each other with the patient's negative thoughts. They attack me. I attack them.
In the early days, often they'd have some thought that I couldn't help them answer within the session. So they might have the idea. I remember a woman I was working with, and she became an appendix in the book, Intimate Connections, because she believed that she was just average. There was nothing special about her. And she was a clinical social worker, and she was unmarried.
In the early days, often they'd have some thought that I couldn't help them answer within the session. So they might have the idea. I remember a woman I was working with, and she became an appendix in the book, Intimate Connections, because she believed that she was just average. There was nothing special about her. And she was a clinical social worker, and she was unmarried.
And she said, I don't have a husband. I just have an ordinary job. I just have an ordinary intelligence. So there's nothing special about me. And that's a fact. So in reality, not an especially worthwhile human being. And we did role playing back and forth for four full hours, not all at once, an hour a week for four weeks.
And she said, I don't have a husband. I just have an ordinary job. I just have an ordinary intelligence. So there's nothing special about me. And that's a fact. So in reality, not an especially worthwhile human being. And we did role playing back and forth for four full hours, not all at once, an hour a week for four weeks.
And neither one of us could figure the answer to it, how to accept this about yourself and still feel happy. And then it hit her halfway through the fifth session and she became enlightened. And we saw it suddenly at the same time. And that happened to me all the time. I would leave a session thinking, gosh, this person thinks they're worthless. And I think they're worthless.
And neither one of us could figure the answer to it, how to accept this about yourself and still feel happy. And then it hit her halfway through the fifth session and she became enlightened. And we saw it suddenly at the same time. And that happened to me all the time. I would leave a session thinking, gosh, this person thinks they're worthless. And I think they're worthless.
So they probably are worthless. How am I going to help them? Would you really think they were worthless? Oh, yeah. I got hypnotized by every patient. It still happens at the beginning of their work. Every depressed person tries to convince me that they're hopeless and worthless. They're the one who can't get better. And they're very good. They're brilliant debaters.
So they probably are worthless. How am I going to help them? Would you really think they were worthless? Oh, yeah. I got hypnotized by every patient. It still happens at the beginning of their work. Every depressed person tries to convince me that they're hopeless and worthless. They're the one who can't get better. And they're very good. They're brilliant debaters.
And they used to persuade me all the time. And it would take a day or two after the session, I'd say, ah, that's where they were getting distorted. And then I'd see them the next time. I'd say, I think I figured it out. And then they'd get it. And then they'd feel better. But cognitive therapy and its new inheritance team, CBT, look simple, but they're not. They're very sophisticated.