Dr. David Burns

Yeah. I never learned anything in my seven years I spent at the Stanford Medical School and the seven or eight years I spent in residency and research after that. I never learned anything that helps me with patients. Not one thing. How did you plow through it? Well, I just said this is what I have to do if I want to get through medical school and residency.

Yeah. I never learned anything in my seven years I spent at the Stanford Medical School and the seven or eight years I spent in residency and research after that. I never learned anything that helps me with patients. Not one thing. How did you plow through it? Well, I just said this is what I have to do if I want to get through medical school and residency.

And I wasn't convinced I wanted to get through medical school and residency. So I dropped out of medical school for a full year on two different occasions. And when I was in medical school, I often skipped most or all of my classes and I would just show up for final exams immediately. you know, study a week before finals and then take my finals. And then I was off again.

And I wasn't convinced I wanted to get through medical school and residency. So I dropped out of medical school for a full year on two different occasions. And when I was in medical school, I often skipped most or all of my classes and I would just show up for final exams immediately. you know, study a week before finals and then take my finals. And then I was off again.

And meanwhile, I was being a hippie in downtown Palo Alto on the streets of Palo Alto and learning how to live life. And I learned more there than I ever learned in medical school about things that are helping my patients. Like, how do you score when you're orny? Well, I learned that. They never taught me that in medical school or residency.

And meanwhile, I was being a hippie in downtown Palo Alto on the streets of Palo Alto and learning how to live life. And I learned more there than I ever learned in medical school about things that are helping my patients. Like, how do you score when you're orny? Well, I learned that. They never taught me that in medical school or residency.

And that's what a lot of patients wanted to learn how to do. And I was able to teach them, and they appreciated it.

And that's what a lot of patients wanted to learn how to do. And I was able to teach them, and they appreciated it.

Yeah. That won't be helpful to Gray. But what strategies will we have to work with Gray? Here are what you folks think.

Yeah. That won't be helpful to Gray. But what strategies will we have to work with Gray? Here are what you folks think.

Yeah, well, that's a good one. He certainly is in a should system. For sure, that's the key distortion in his thoughts. What is your thinking, Rhonda? Yeah.

Yeah, well, that's a good one. He certainly is in a should system. For sure, that's the key distortion in his thoughts. What is your thinking, Rhonda? Yeah.

So you're going to tell him what he's actually going to learn is important and sell him on the importance of doing it.

So you're going to tell him what he's actually going to learn is important and sell him on the importance of doing it.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, sure.

I think you guys are definitely on the right path here. I think to take a page out of your book, Matt, I would start out with empathy and try to see the world through his eyes, although it's hard to avoid getting angry with him because I find him kind of irritating and entitled.

I think you guys are definitely on the right path here. I think to take a page out of your book, Matt, I would start out with empathy and try to see the world through his eyes, although it's hard to avoid getting angry with him because I find him kind of irritating and entitled.

But he would need someone to see the world through his eyes and side with him, including the fact that maybe you don't want to go through this. You certainly don't have to. And maybe you want to go in a different direction with your life. It's really your choice. And maybe you could use the decision-making tool.

But he would need someone to see the world through his eyes and side with him, including the fact that maybe you don't want to go through this. You certainly don't have to. And maybe you want to go in a different direction with your life. It's really your choice. And maybe you could use the decision-making tool.