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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And so got back to Philly, and then I just worked basically day and night running experiments.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
I thawed those blood samples, started measuring proteins in the blood, measuring what those immune cells were doing.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And I eventually identified that a communication line in the immune system, you've got all these immune cells all over your body, and they've got to communicate with one another.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And I discovered that one of those communication lines was turned into overdrive.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
Sort of like, to me, I thought of it as like, it seems like maybe the fire alarm is going off in my immune system, even when it shouldn't.
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It's like a false alarm.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And so therefore, it's attacking everything.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And what was really important about that discovery, Sean, is that there's a drug that's been around for decades that can turn that communication line off.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And it was made for organ transplantation.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
So if you were to get a kidney, your immune system would attack that new kidney, that transplanted kidney, unless you took this medicine, which would prevent your immune system from attacking that transplanted kidney.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And that drug turns this one communication line off.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
So I went to my doctor in DC, and I was like, hey, would you consider prescribing this?
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And he's like, well, it's never been done before for Castleman's.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
It could cause problems.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
It could turn things in the wrong direction with your immune system.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
Maybe this could kill you.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And I said, well, but I've almost died five times, and I'm out of options.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And so he prescribed it.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
And so I started taking it, and it's, Sean, it's now been over 11 and a half years.
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#240 Dr. David Fajgenbaum - Can AI Find Cures to Rare Diseases Using Existing Medicine?
I've been doing great on this drug.