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Dr. David Gwynn

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Appearances Over Time

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The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

And if Diocles was responsible for imperial safety, you'd have to say he wasn't doing a great job.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Although in fairness, firstly, this kind of event was quite common during the third century and actually killed by bodyguards is the single most common form of death for Roman emperors right through their history.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It goes back to Caligula.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But he was clearly a well-respected soldier, an experienced soldier, and in the right place and well-organized.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Because most of these usurpations, that person then gets murdered in turn.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

During the third century crisis, so above all the period between 235 and 284, the average length of reign was less than three years.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

There's an incredible turnover of imperial power.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Diocletian is going to hold power for 20 years and voluntarily let it go.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Not entirely.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Unfortunately, we've basically just got a few later very short summaries which really just say that Diocles was making some claim for power and then Carinus dies.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It doesn't seem to be a full-pitched civil war, but in reality, one of the two has to die.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

This is a standoff that has to be resolved.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

Diocles is the one who has the army support, has the better structures in place.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But exactly how it was all engineered remains very difficult.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It's very unclear whether there is a major pitched battle, whether there's a skirmish, whether indeed Diocles convinces Caius's army that actually Diocles is the better candidate.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

It's a problem right through the third century crisis.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

But the real difficulty when it comes to Diocletian is, of course, what we've really got is later sources who know what will happen.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

trying to give us some kind of reconstruction.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

And it's interesting that there doesn't seem to have been a single set narrative for them to draw on.

The Ancients
Emperor Diocletian and the Great Persecution

So we just get these different accounts, like in the Historia Augusta, probably written a hundred odd years later.