Dr. Drew Pinsky

And men can certainly lead that way because men have always had kind of that preoccupation about what to do.

In fact, I've heard from young men, they're looking towards older men to give them some guidance on these issues, which the previous two or three generations were about casting off previous generations.

These guys are lost, and they want spiritual, and I would argue, sort of exactly what we're talking about, guidance.

That's a really interesting point that I don't think people appreciate.

Because they, again, that whole, the sort of...

What do we call the sort of Nick Fuentes and those sorts of worlds, the gripers and stuff?

That whole phenomenon makes it feel like men need some sort of extreme sort of encouragement.

They don't.

They need very little.

They need not to be told they're a POS, and they need to be encouraged and given a little direction and a pat on the back once in a while.

You drop a lot of words that I think must always be part of your conversation, but they're actually very profound.

Character, mentor, I forget some of the other things we mentioned, but these are all really important and very deep and complex topics.

Is that all in The Last Man?

Well, we've got to get the book because if we're going to solve this problem, we all need to be educated.

We need to have a plan.

We need to know the breadth and depth of the problem.

And then we need to think about what we can do to help solve it.

But you're right.

It is not a monolithic problem.

It has biological.