Dr. Drew Pinsky

So it can create a rebound, and thus now we have the Nick Fuentes thing, and you have all these other things that are maybe going too far in the other direction.

He was sort of funny in that book.

They build steeples.

They build really high points in their towns, which I thought was so interesting.

So do you have prescriptive ideas about what we do for this?

Also, one of the stories we reported on in our promotion was that there is a bias against men.

I mean, they really sold this idea that there's a pathology in being male.

We used to think about that as it pertained to ADD, ADHD.

Kids are active and they get pathologized.

But teachers actually apparently grade boys.

If they know the paper they're grading is a boy's, they will grade it lower.

Apparently.

One of the things that tribal cultures do to sort of protect masculinity is have rituals around transitioning into puberty and adulthood.

And they always revolve around what it is to be a man, right?

How do you be a man in this society?

Because it's usually hard, which is not something that men get credit for.

Do we need something like that?

And if we did come up with something, what that would look like?

And you mentioned character, which is a word that seemed to have just ceased to exist until very, very recently again.

Is that notion of character coming back and what it means to be a good person?