Dr. Drew Pinsky

But let's talk about you.

So you're married to a national security or national intelligence expert, a CIA agent.

How has that shifted your understanding of the world?

When you say siphoned off, into dark, spurious projects or just unpredictable?

One of the things I shake my head about these days is people that seem fearful of competition, who disdain people who succeed at competition, somehow trust centralized authority of government to spend money in some way that's exclusively good, in spite of there being no checks and balances and no accounting and just unlimited evidence of grift.

I don't understand how people can still have that opinion.

Yeah.

Ridiculous.

Yeah.

So you go on this journey into the Fauci story.

What motivated you to look into this and what sort of surprised you as you looked under the hood?

Well, explain to me

You sort of couch it in satire, yet at the same time you're saying, well, but the reality is there's some truth here.

How is it... Are there some places where you just go off the plantation and make jokes?

Or is it speculative and then you pull back and go, but in fact, here's what happened.

But let's talk about how we can learn from your book.

In other words, sometimes jokes are a great way to teach, right?

And get people to consume information.

What did you do to anchor your information?

Did you do anything or was it just all off hearsay?