Dr. Eliza Philby

Now we need sons to change as many catheters as they're changing nappies for their babies.

Because all of those hard-earned career opportunities that millennial women have done and succeeded in will be seriously under threat as their parents age and they have to look after their parents.

There's no elder care influences.

Yeah, that's true.

There's mom influences.

There's no elder care influences.

Although it's declining at quite a rapid rate.

But I mean, I think the conversation around fertility as a mother who had babies late, I was a geriatric.

mother right that's an official medical term isn't it like a young age what is the age for geriatric I think it's 36 it's wild that they use geriatric for that so I was a geriatric mother you're talking to a geriatric mother here and

Thank you for your service.

I breed for the world.

But women historically have never had control over their fertility.

And in some places and in different, obviously, you know, different conversations, even in this country around controlling one's fertility and birth rights.

It's a really sensitive and complex issue that deserves attention and nuance because you're absolutely right.

The economic constraints and burdens of having children now are at completely odds with perhaps what our grandfathers and grandmothers and certainly our great grandfathers, having children used to be a net benefit.

Because they used to earn money and come back and give it and spread it to the family, right?

Having as many children, actually, you'd create this sort of mini economic empire.

You're creating your inheritance.

Right.

Now, really since the 1980s, when children started to live at home longer...