Dr. Eliza Philby

During wars.

Exactly.

It's not economics, just economics, nor is it state support either.

Because if you look at Scandinavia, for example.

They've got some of the best provisions in terms of paternity leave, childcare, but the lowest birth rates as well.

So what we're really talking about here, which is something that no one really, I think, fully addresses, which is we've given women better options.

This is about individualism.

And you're saying we should take them away.

Guess what?

When women are given the choice.

I wanted to be a glitch.

I was not here.

When women's rights were being taken away.

The point is, is that when women are given the choice, having 10 children is not what they do with their life.

So, you know, and I think that we have to also have a genuine conversation, a much more positive one.

But when you have kids, it's all about sacrifice.

It's a thankless task.

Yeah.

They don't thank you.

The whole point of having a child is, you know, you build it within you and you let it go.