Dr. Ellen Langer
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You know that there was a story way back when. So there's this mental facility and people are on what's in their vernacular called the hopeless ward. And then they wanted to renovate the ward so they move all of the people. So you're in the hopeless ward. Now you're in a hopeful, you know, without it being called that.
Then the renovation is finished and people are returned to their old rooms and many unexpected deaths occurred.
Then the renovation is finished and people are returned to their old rooms and many unexpected deaths occurred.
Then the renovation is finished and people are returned to their old rooms and many unexpected deaths occurred.
Did you read The Mindful Body? I talk about a mindful hospital, which would be different from the ground up. I'm now trying to, in Mexico, Canada, and in the States, Minnesota, trying to put up at least start with a mindful emergency ward and then become a whole mindful hospital. It should be very different. For the reasons that I'm presuming you're getting at.
Did you read The Mindful Body? I talk about a mindful hospital, which would be different from the ground up. I'm now trying to, in Mexico, Canada, and in the States, Minnesota, trying to put up at least start with a mindful emergency ward and then become a whole mindful hospital. It should be very different. For the reasons that I'm presuming you're getting at.
Did you read The Mindful Body? I talk about a mindful hospital, which would be different from the ground up. I'm now trying to, in Mexico, Canada, and in the States, Minnesota, trying to put up at least start with a mindful emergency ward and then become a whole mindful hospital. It should be very different. For the reasons that I'm presuming you're getting at.
Do you know anybody who's ever walked through a hospital door that isn't stressed? I mean, no. Only walking out. Yeah, no. But and I believe that stress is by far the major killer. It's a very extreme position, Andrew. I believe I was going to do this work with people in China before COVID. We take, let's say, a few hundred people who are just diagnosed with cancer, very the cancer.
Do you know anybody who's ever walked through a hospital door that isn't stressed? I mean, no. Only walking out. Yeah, no. But and I believe that stress is by far the major killer. It's a very extreme position, Andrew. I believe I was going to do this work with people in China before COVID. We take, let's say, a few hundred people who are just diagnosed with cancer, very the cancer.
Do you know anybody who's ever walked through a hospital door that isn't stressed? I mean, no. Only walking out. Yeah, no. But and I believe that stress is by far the major killer. It's a very extreme position, Andrew. I believe I was going to do this work with people in China before COVID. We take, let's say, a few hundred people who are just diagnosed with cancer, very the cancer.
And we find out how stressed they are. And nobody's going to be happy being told they have cancer. So we give them a little while. It's going to be three weeks to adjust to it. Then we measure their stress level every three, four weeks. I believe the stress level will predict the course of the disease over and above nutrition, genetics, and treatment.
And we find out how stressed they are. And nobody's going to be happy being told they have cancer. So we give them a little while. It's going to be three weeks to adjust to it. Then we measure their stress level every three, four weeks. I believe the stress level will predict the course of the disease over and above nutrition, genetics, and treatment.
And we find out how stressed they are. And nobody's going to be happy being told they have cancer. So we give them a little while. It's going to be three weeks to adjust to it. Then we measure their stress level every three, four weeks. I believe the stress level will predict the course of the disease over and above nutrition, genetics, and treatment.
And stress is psychological, which takes me back to how all of this can be controlled by our minds. But anyway, so you go to a hospital, the first thing you are is stressed. You have the people working in the hospital who, especially during COVID, but it was always the case, suffering enormous amount of burnout. Well, what is burnout? You don't get burnout if you're mindful.
And stress is psychological, which takes me back to how all of this can be controlled by our minds. But anyway, so you go to a hospital, the first thing you are is stressed. You have the people working in the hospital who, especially during COVID, but it was always the case, suffering enormous amount of burnout. Well, what is burnout? You don't get burnout if you're mindful.
And stress is psychological, which takes me back to how all of this can be controlled by our minds. But anyway, so you go to a hospital, the first thing you are is stressed. You have the people working in the hospital who, especially during COVID, but it was always the case, suffering enormous amount of burnout. Well, what is burnout? You don't get burnout if you're mindful.
You know, if I'm seeing you every day and I'm presuming you're the same Andrew I've seen before, your symptoms are basically the same. How are you, Andrew? I take your temperature. Everything is pretty much the same. It can be exhausting because I'm not getting anything.
You know, if I'm seeing you every day and I'm presuming you're the same Andrew I've seen before, your symptoms are basically the same. How are you, Andrew? I take your temperature. Everything is pretty much the same. It can be exhausting because I'm not getting anything.
You know, if I'm seeing you every day and I'm presuming you're the same Andrew I've seen before, your symptoms are basically the same. How are you, Andrew? I take your temperature. Everything is pretty much the same. It can be exhausting because I'm not getting anything.
If, on the other hand, I'm noticing all the new things about you, then I'm being fed and my neurons are firing and I'm not going to burn out. We have lots of simple things. When I was talking to Atul Gawande, he did some wonderful work on checklists. In surgery, for instance, if they have a checklist, there are many fewer errors that are made.