Dr Emily Musgrove

This is really, there is no silver bullet in talking about this.

This is like really hard work.

And if anyone is listening who really strongly identifies with this, I really invite a gentle compassion to how hard this is.

But can we keep this greater purpose in mind, I guess?

But it's, yeah, it is tremendously hard.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so in some ways this is, um, the little victories part is really, really important because it tells us that, yeah, I can do, I can do.

And look at, maybe it's not, maybe it's not the 10K, but I've still walked, literally walked in the direction of what I value.

And so, yeah, the mind's going to come up with some stuff about the fact that, you know, you're a loser, you didn't run, blah, blah, blah.

But how would my mate feel about the fact that I showed up?

Because knowing you, Josh, I know that that is really important to you.

Like how you show up as a friend, for example.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's the beauty about being able to stay with the difficulty is that when I get through that, I've now got this great piece of evidence to say that I can do this again.

Yeah.

And in some ways the heart of becoming gritty is really kind of emotion regulation, like being able to really be open to and encounter pain and discomfort provided, always provided, this is in service of what I value.

There's so much here about really around discomfort and that grit means that we have to face discomfort and that's the hard work.

That's the perseverance part that we're enduring despite, in spite of or alongside of the pain.

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