Dr. Eric Haseltine

And by the way, when it comes to directed energy, there's no one better in the world than the Russians.

You know, Bozov and the laser, you could say they invented it, you know, and they are really good at directed energy.

I mean, that's what Havana syndrome is all about, directed energy.

So...

I think it's entirely possible that some of these phenomena are a foreign actor deliberately messing with our head.

Well, you really, we're deep into that.

I mean, I can't say exactly, but I'm very much part of that investigation.

And so is Dr. Gilbert.

Well, that's the one cluster of symptoms that seems to be in common with many of them.

And I'll just say, again, I have to be careful picking my words.

Sure.

But...

I think there was not unanimity within the community, the intelligence community, on what was going on.

You had one side saying, it's real and we know what it is with very high likelihood, and here it is.

And then you had the other, which was the official version, is there's no there, there, nothing to see here, folks.

And those of us who were tightly connected on the one side who heard that were shocked, mortified.

angry.

But you saw Dr. Relman, for example, the Stanford MD.

I think he said it best.

And in an essay I just published, I really talk about, again, the psychology of how that could happen.