Dr. Eric Haseltine

The scientific method itself is limited.

Agree.

But you see, the thing is, one reason you'll find me to be such a stickler.

Is I kind of have to be, to have credibility because I want hardcore scientists.

To look at someone like me and someone like Dr. Gilbert and say, they're not wild eyed crazies.

They are disciplined.

And so I'm purposely that way, you know, that I want to maintain healthy skepticism at the same time.

Oh, because the very best scientists realize that we're much more limited than we want to admit.

And so what I want to do is speak to those scientists and say, play in this space because there's some exciting stuff here.

I have no idea what it is, but I know what it isn't.

And what it isn't is something we understand.

No.

And I'll tell you that inside the highest levels of the intelligence community, this is not something we spent a femto second thinking about.

I don't think there was any point.

I did get involved in some FOIA requests at NSA as a senior executive, but none of us spent any time on this.

Oh, I heard about something like that.

No, no.

I heard about it.

But I will tell you that, look, at that level, you're interested in budgets.

Right.