Dr. Eric Haseltine

And where do you not want him to be?

And I said, look for him where you least expect and least want him to be because that's where he's going to be by definition.

You never know it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The way I think of it is we've all seen those cartoons where the coyote goes through a door and you see the silhouette, you know, where he went through the door.

And so you see where he went through and that's the positive space.

The negative space is the door.

We tend to always focus on the positive space, which in human terms is in the intelligence world, we call this mirroring.

we look at a target and say, they must be like us.

Therefore, if they're doing X, it's for motivation Y. So what Dr. Gilbert just said is we did the opposite of that.

We said, let's take everything that humans are and assume that extraterrestrials are none of those.

They're the opposite because we would never think to look there and we never think to understand the motivation.

So for example,

Let's take the Tic Tacs.

Suppose the Tic Tacs are driven by an extraterrestrial species that are unlike us in every possible way, in the way she just described.

how then would you explain what they're doing?

You wouldn't explain it with human motivations.

You'd explain it with anti-motivations.

And when you do that, it's freeing.