Dr. Genevieve von Petzinger

And this is where the fight has been going on ever since.

I think it's like I said, more and more people...

are joining as we go because one Uranian series date, and again, with a new technique, and this is where there's nothing wrong in science with questioning things.

It's important.

Jean Clot, who's like one of the grandfathers in our field, amazing, amazing archaeologist in his own right.

He pointed out that one date is not really a date.

Right.

Like you, you need corroborating it, you know, you know, so they had these good dates, super intriguing, you know, but now we've done uranium series, not just at El Castillo, but at other places.

But what I'd like to sort of just fly with El Castillo, which is so interesting is that these, these spit painted discs actually go like this.

You can sort of see like, they're like, they're almost like these little teacup saucer size things.

Like they're kind of about that size and they're obviously kind of curling their hands.

We, we,

they're wherever you find them, like they're not common, but again, because I studied geometric signs, I've taken, I take an interest in all those, those non-figurative non-shiny ponies.

Right.

So all the caves I've ever inventory, they're always the oldest, most covered up with calcite.

And, you know, so I had already started going, Hmm, like, I think this almost looks like if I had to guess, I would guess this might be a Neanderthal art motif or,

rather than it being a human motif that Neanderthals happen to be making.

And they just like, so again, they were spit painting them on the wall.

There's a whole gallery of desks, if you look too.

I think I may have sent you guys a picture of those.