Dr. Jack Tremel

late at night in white of course there you go stereotype the classic woman in white and i never was scared she looked like she was taking care of me almost like an angelic kind of feeling to it and when i told my mother about this i got a spanking and was told that was her coming in to check on me and never talk about it again

And so, early in my life, I was shamed into not asking questions about things like that.

So, when I grew up and became a sociologist, I decided nobody's going to tell me I can't study this anymore and be interested in it.

And so, other things have happened to me in my life, but that's sort of like the, what would you call it, the founding story of how I got interested as a very young child and then pursued it later as an adult.

And Wes, if I can add something, the woman in white motif is almost a misnomer in my opinion because what people may be seeing is some kind of entity or aura that has no color at all.

And it may be that it is manifesting through a part of the visual spectrum in the ultraviolet perhaps or where there wouldn't be any color.

You're not going to see a woman in red.

You're not going to see a woman in blue.

And that that aura comes closest to people thinking, well, it's glowing in the dark or I see it, you know.

I see it there, I just, it doesn't have any color.

And so, I think maybe it's a misnomer to call it the woman in white because it may be that people are seeing something that's in a different part of the visual spectrum.

Wes, since you had mentioned that black crawling like thing earlier, Rick, you should also throw in that one of our investigators more recently when we were there saw a black mass with indistinct edges around it moving across the ground and with the naked eye, there was nothing there but he saw that.

Am I describing that correctly, Rick?

It's confusing because I've had different kinds of light experiences including seeing faces inside a light and I've shown those pictures to my CPRI colleagues who say it's pareidolia and it's matrixing.

But I have those if you ever want to take a look at them, they clearly look like faces to me.

But then I've also seen some lights that clearly have something like a plasma trail around them and they have intentionality, they stop and start and move as if they are trying to make decisions consciously about where to go and not go or maybe they're controlled by somebody that has that intention.

And then I've seen lights that are more like auras that almost seem to be associated with other events, like some kind of auditory kind of event happening shortly thereafter or seeing something visual that you can't explain.

And so...

As far as cryptids go, I have limited experience with this but I do think there's one story in my past where there has been a light and I was being followed through the woods and I don't know if I've ever told Rick this story, my kid left a blanket on the top of a mountaintop and we were on a hotel because it was snowing furiously and I

My wife made me go back and hike a mile and a half up the top of the mountain in a snowstorm to get the little kid's blanket because they weren't going to go to sleep without it.