Dr. Jack Tremel

And when I got up to the top of the mountain, I was hearing strange kind of noises.

animal noises that I don't know how to describe and I assumed it was a bear, plenty of bear in that country and it started following me the way down and I didn't have any equipment with me, I would freeze in my butt off to begin with and I just wanted to get back to the car.

But it mirrored my movement all the way down the mountain and when I got to the bottom of the mountain, I was close enough to my car that I felt like I could run there and get in if necessary and I turned around to confront it and that's when I did see this kind of weird light on the mountain further up the trail and it was moving in and out of the trees indistinctly

But it was clearly there and it's snowing like crazy.

So, it's not something that would be reflecting from moonlight or something like that.

And I'm like, whatever it is, I'm out of here.

And I got in the car and left.

But I just assumed that was a bear.

I had never connected the fact that it might be something else and that that light might be tied to that.

Very interesting anecdote to go along with this.

Rick and I could send you this footage of this light that was captured on surveillance cameras, so no human was present, but later we saw it on review.

And in this case, it moved with intention, it was solid in the center but you could see a little bit of an aura around it and when it moved, it left a plasma trail which intrigued my physicist friend.

But there was a horse nearby and the horse was grazing in the middle of the night while this is happening.

And as the light gets close to the horse, you can see it reflecting off the horse's skin and body and fur, but the horse did not see it.

And so, as best we can tell on this full-spectrum camera, it was luminescing in the ultraviolet range.

But it did move...

apparently with what looked like intentionality but the anecdote related to this is that in addition to not being able to explain the light this horse died not too long after this incident happened and because it was 29 years old we chalked it up to old age but now we're talking about these things possibly irradiating and this thing was all around that horse and so there's no way to prove it or disprove it but it's just an interesting thing to think about

I'm always intrigued by the fact that there were three of them in the story with the woman and the screen.

Why three?

But in one of the video clips that the Air Force released last year of unidentified objects, there were three of them.