Dr. James Fitzsimmons

Like I remember, you know, the rainy season was getting later and later and later and later.

Like, you know, this part of the world, one of the things that makes it difficult to work in is that there's a rainy season and a dry season.

And it's not as if there isn't rain in the dry season.

It's just, you're either dealing with more rain or less rain, right?

And you often have enough water to drink, but either too much water or not enough water for your crops.

It's one of those two things almost always, right?

You never have like perfect, right?

Never.

And if you chop down a whole bunch of forest, it basically, it alters that weather pattern.

And so these guys, you talk to them and be like, yeah, yeah, I remember, you know, when the rain used to start and it was like, you know.

May or something.

And now it's like starting in like June or July.

Wow.

And so, and where I was, the forest was cut down, but it wasn't cut down that bad.

I imagine, yeah, in some places-

Ancient deforestation.

I imagine some of them were just like, I've got no patience with this.

And just chopping down, chopping down whatever.

and I don't know if you're gonna get to this later, but we talk about sort of collapse type stuff, right?

You kind of go from the heights of sort of population and art, culture, society, all that sort of stuff, really complex society, in some places to crickets.