Dr. James Fitzsimmons

Not everywhere, but in some places it just goes to crickets.

And it goes to crickets in maybe 100, 150 years, something like that, right?

In some places the collapse is like very fast, right?

And in some places that collapse happens, and there's all kinds of war events where you see people coming to kill other folks.

You see these long-term rivalries and such, people going back and forth against each other, right?

In other places, it seems more environmental.

And so I don't know whether your friend's talking about the Maya side of Copan, but that seems to be what's happening there.

I used to work there.

Yeah, it was in Honduras, yeah.

Copan...

Uh, I did a, I ran, I was, I was there for a field school at one point running a field school, um, uh, with, with, with some friends of mine and yeah.

And my advisor and, uh, yeah, the Copan seems to have actually kind of degraded a bit.

Uh, they sort of chopped down so much forest that basically you get to a point where the carrying capacity of land just isn't, it just isn't there anymore.

And you start seeing people just like being like, I, you know, uh,

When you can't grow food, it's not like society collapses all at once, but people are like, I'm going to move.

People don't just really stay around.

There are going to be those people, those people that you see on the news when the weather is coming, and they're like, I'm never leaving.

Those people are always around.

There are Floridians in every society, yes.

There are, right?