Dr. James Fitzsimmons

I mean, I think there are lots of things, and we've talked about sort of all the drugs and things.

I think that's sort of a really strange thing, right, about the Maya that you don't really notice.

I think all the supernatural stuff, God's being able to stare at you from behind mirrors is really kind of an amazing thing.

I think that, you know...

people keeping track of their ancestors for 200 years, you know, 150 years.

I think that's something that also, uh, to me is, is interesting.

You know, we, um, we have this sense of, of, of ancestors in the U S. Um, but I think a lot of our genealogies are pretty shallow.

And, um, the idea that people are keeping track of these guys over long-term, uh,

Long periods of time, I think, is really interesting.

And keeping grudges for really long periods of time.

Oh, really?

So, you'll get these wars that'll happen, including the one in the book.

You get these wars, and they'll happen for really long periods of time, and people will keep these grudges.

So, for example...

The Maya were an honor-based society.

If you think about, like, feudal Japan or medieval Iceland, actually.

Probably the best example is medieval Iceland.

But you can put these two things.

You think honor-based society, like, especially Japan.

You think, oh, this is an honor-based society.