Dr. James Fitzsimmons

sort of a funny story.

I was talking about my wife earlier.

The first fight I ever got into with her, the first fight, and then before we were married, before we were even a couple, the absolute first fight was actually over this issue.

I don't exactly know how this fight started, but I came home from class one day and it was like, we were talking about it and it was like, no, you can't, she won the fight, I lost.

It was fine.

How do you prove this?

I actually got into a fight with Vera Tiesler and another woman, actually.

I think it must have been in Madrid.

We were at a conference and we got into a fight over this, too.

It's very hard to prove.

It's really hard to prove.

Well, but no, but sometimes there are images of it.

And you can sort of see that there are these people carrying around these bowls of human body parts and things, right?

But as I've sort of gotten into this more and more and more, what you find are bowls that are offerings.

Um, but the offerings tend to be to gods.

They tend to be to supernatural beings.

Now, there is this idea in ancient Maya culture, and actually most Mesoamerican cultures, that it's not that you just put on a mask or, um, wear an image of a god and you, like, you know, like, you impersonate the god.

It's that you actually become that god for that, for that period.

So you put on the mask or whatever, and then you just are.

So, like, if you want to be the sun god, like, you put, you put on all this sort of stuff, and you're not impersonating it.