Dr. James Hollis

He accepted the responsibility.

But I also know he didn't live with his own soul.

I know that.

And I had clues here and there.

And I even saw that as a child.

And so when I started to reflect on men, I realized I had my own inhibitions about that.

And I was fortunately enough as a therapist, I would say, all right, what would you say to someone who expressed these inhibitions?

I would say, all right, there's some fears here that you're defending yourself against.

What's that about?

So I thought, and then I had a voice in me that said, but these are secret.

You don't talk about it.

And then I thought, well, that's my duty, isn't it?

I have to bring some of those things up.

And so that's what led to the writing of the book Under Saturn's Shadow.

And I suggested a number of those secrets.

One is men's lives are as much governed by role expectations as women's lives are.

Less so today, but in the past they were ironclad, right?

And the net effect of those roles was self-estranging.

You know, you are your function.

You are your duties.