Dr. James Lindsay

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 544. When the Right Goes Too Far | Dr. James Lindsay · 5 May 2025 podcast

So, what are you in trouble for now?

It's troublesome for those with a conservative bent to throw away the idea of institutional legitimacy. The only possible antidote to really unrestrained investigation. The idea seems to be something like the The more radical the revolutionary precept, the more likely something Luciferian is behind it.

And the cardinal sin of Lucifer is pride. Hello, everybody. My guest today is James Lindsay, who's been a commentator on cultural affairs for a good 10 years, I suppose longer than that, but being well-known for that long. He was one of the people, along with Helen Pluckrose and others, who published a sequence of papers in radical journals that were... not genuine, let's put it that way.

And that was very scandalous. It was part of an attempt to expose the pathology that had set into certain aspects of the academic institutions. And it's become much more widespread now. James has got himself in trouble in recent months, once again, for popularizing the phrase woke right by accusing students

or pointing out, depending on your perspective, the fact that various members of the so-called right are engaging in shenanigans that are very much reminiscent of those that characterize the radical left. And so that's what we talk about today, the nature of the woke right.

I discuss the overlap between such behavior and classification of psychopathology with James, the relationship between woke behavior, mobbing, extreme perspectives, self-victimization, protest, gaming the system, and cluster B psychopathology, narcissism, histrionic behavior, borderline, antisocial, and the dark tetrad. And we... We attempted to determine how our views align and how they differ.

And well, it's a walk through the dark side of ideology. So join us for that. Nice to see you, Dr. Lindsay.

It's been two years, eh?

Yeah. So what are you in trouble for now?

Lay it out, man.

One of the things that I think... Tell me what you think about this, but... I don't think we should name any names in this podcast, if that's okay with you.

Okay, we can talk about why that is as we progress. Okay, good, good. I mean, I wasn't going to make that a cut-and-dried rule, but I have my reasons. So you just referred to some comments I made on Fox News and also to some degree on Rogan.

talking about, and I've actually written a fair pass along this. You know, there's been this idea that the extremes of political belief meet, hey?

So let's hash that out a little bit. You seem to find useful or possibly accept this additional diagnostic distinction, which would be cluster B or dark tetrad.

That's what happens in the Tower of Babel.

That's right. That's exactly right. Remember, words lose their meaning and no one can understand. That's right. Nobody can understand each other.

Yeah, it is.

Okay, so let's lay down some theses and tell me what you think of them. So the first is that about 4% to 5% of the population, maybe more, has dark tetrad cluster B traits to some significant degree. And so that was histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, and psychopathic. That's the cluster B cluster. Whether those are psychopathologies, like illnesses, that's a matter of dispute.

They're certainly forms of severe... social misbehavior, manipulative social misbehavior. And people who fall into those categories will use cries of victimization to parasitize. So they're parasitizing on empathy, that's one hallmark. They have disordered interpersonal relationships, often very intense. They're predatory, particularly the antisocial types.

That's more straight, repetitive criminals. Very stable pattern of behavior. So let's say 4% to 5%. It's probably increased because of the net. That would be my guess because it's not well regulated on the net because most of our evolved mechanisms for dealing with such people don't work.

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