Dr. Janice Stein

That doesn't work for Donald Trump at all, and I don't believe it works for the Iranians either.

If they get back to the table, there's creative ways to get around that.

And they are sending messages.

Well, there's two worries here.

If you talk to British and French in Europe today, right, because there's three big powers in Europe, if you don't, for the moment, count the Russians.

And what are they worried about?

And they're worried about two very different things.

They're worried, of course, about the United States withdrawing from Europe, withdrawing from NATO.

And there's almost a sense of resignation around it now.

among Europeans, including the Germans, they're planning for a post-US security regime for Europe.

That's what you hear everywhere.

And they know there's a period of vulnerability.

They need, some people say five, some people say 10 years, and they worry that Russia will take advantage of that moment.

But that's what they're planning for.

So here they agree with Mark Carney.

This is a rupture.

They are not going back, frankly.

On the other hand, they really, the British and the French, are really worried.

that the Germans will be the strongest military power in Europe.

And you hear that.