Dr. Janice Stein

But it has the capacity through the investments it's made in space to look at the world nonstop 24-7.

You know, that's intelligence so valuable, for instance, to Ukrainians.

So we are takers in the Five Eyes.

And so Britain is by far, after the United States, the most important, but we're takers.

Now, we have one agency in our community, which is exceptional, the Canadian Security Establishment, CSC, which is world-class, which monitors electronic signals and is very highly regarded in Washington.

So...

It's not that we don't hold our own, but for us to cut ourselves off, for the professionals to cut themselves off from U.S.

intelligence would be a serious problem for us, really serious problem.

So I say that to set the scene.

There...

There have been.

Here, let me come back to what I call the formers.

You know, the formers are a very powerful group because the formers are retired from their official positions, but they have friends in the other forms.

Three Eyes, written in Australia and New Zealand, there's always conversations that are going on amongst them.

And to some degree, they have a common problem now, which it's not only it's that the countries are not getting along at the political level, but the agencies in the United States were decapitated because Trump fired them.

When he came back, he went three levels down.

For example, in the CIA, anybody that he thought was involved in the Ukraine story, which was leaked about inappropriate behavior by him.

So there is a real worry that they don't trust in the same way.

They don't know to what use a far more politicized agency is going to put information that they share.

And that's a really sobering kind of concern.