Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

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188 appearances 9 recordings 5 series first heard Nov 2024 last heard 11 May

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For instance, induced pluripotent stem cells, for many uses, you can produce tissues that are
comparable or better without having the sort of moral qualms.
And if I make another sort of public health case about this, during the pandemic, there were vaccines, for instance, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, not an mRNA vaccine, but another technology that was produced using human, basically embryonic stem cells.
I heard from so many people during the pandemic that Catholics and others who had qualms about using this technology because they didn't want to be gaining from what their moral system said was an illicit fruit of the poison tree, right?
And I completely sympathize with this.
In public health and in science, we should seek to produce knowledge and products that are widely available for everybody.
If there are large numbers of people with moral systems that say, well, look, if you go down this line and do research with aborted human fetal tissue, I'm not going to participate in it.
I'm not going to get a vaccine or whatever it is.
I'm not going to use it.
Well, what good was the research if a large part of the population feels ethically bound not to participate or use the products of that research?
Thanks for having me, Vince. So good to talk to you again. It's been a few years.
It's absolutely incredible. The team is incredible. I mean, I don't know what it's been like in the past, but I don't think I've ever heard of a more cohesive team of people leading Health and Human Services. We work together on almost everything. We managed to get things done that would take years of bureaucratic infighting to accomplish. We do them overnight.
And we're all aligned in the same direction. The focus is how do we improve the health of the American people? It's just amazing, Vince.
I was. It was interesting. This is October 2020. We wrote this, Vince, and it was the most common sense thing in the history of common sense things like protect the vulnerable and don't disrupt the lives of kids. Don't don't like harm them by keeping them out of school. We had now years of
of this opioid epidemic going on hundreds hundreds thousands of people dead as a result of it and it was the lockdowns that accelerated it kids that have been behind in school for two years or uh of learning uh i mean we're gonna we're we're still picking up the pieces i don't think people understood how powerful the agencies the health and human service agencies actually were until the pandemic
And I mean, I was really concerned through the whole pandemic. I tried my very best to try to sound the alarm bells. It's amazing to me now that I have the chance to be inside and help reform these institutions so that this kind of thing never happens again.
I mean, I'm of two minds in a sense, Vince, because I love the NIH. I mean, it's supported my research for much of my career. And it has a really illustrious track record of advances in basic scientific knowledge that have resulted in better treatments for people. Its mission is absolutely noble, and I completely support it.
But the idea is that we support research that advances the health and longevity of the American people. Like, who can be against that, right? That's exactly the mission. And in that sense, I absolutely love the NIH. But it has fallen on hard times. The American people don't really trust us anymore. And for good reason.
What we did during the pandemic... Now I'm saying we as if I... During the pandemic, I didn't. But what the NIH did during the pandemic... It was, I mean, it didn't do the research that would have resolved some of the, like, for instance, like the research on whether the COVID vaccine stops you from getting and spreading COVID, right?
Instead, the NIH kind of leaned in in ways to things that led to vaccines. mandates, it's led to like all kinds of things that were not particularly helpful. And worse, the NIH actually supported research that very likely caused the pandemic. Pandemic started in China, I believe, as a consequence of research that the Chinese government was supporting.
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