Dr. Jay Wiles

I do have some gripe with the general field of breathwork that I can talk about, but I don't want to be like, I don't want to over index and saying like all of it's bad.

I just think that a lot of it's just been, people have taken way too much advantage of it.

The one thing that all those breathwork practices that you mentioned don't have are robust studies demonstrating trade change.

They're just not there, at least to my knowledge.

Now, I'm more than willing to wave the white flag if that comes out and be a proponent of those types of strategies if we see later down the road that they indeed are effective, not just in changing people's state change, but are actually going to change people's inner workings of their nervous system adaptation.

Agreed.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

So just to be clear, I think that if someone is utilizing some type of proprietary novel way of nervous system coaching or breathing or, you know, breath work.

They're doing it because I want to have this state change.

I want to experience some relaxation.

I just want to be relaxed for an hour.

Yeah, totally fine with it.

Now, are they going to necessarily experience the continued downstream effects?

Maybe, but we don't necessarily have the research to suggest that many of these more novel practices do indeed.

have these longer term trait changes i mean even something that like is being uh talked about a lot today in the health and the wellness sphere in terms of breathing which is the physiological sigh or cyclic sighing doesn't necessarily have the robust research like definitely doesn't have the robust research that resonance breathing does on longer term longitudinal or systemic change in the nervous system it would not surprise me that for the people who aren't huberman pilled the

Yeah.

So biofeedback was discovered back in the 60s, 70s.

And it was initially discovered by a lot of Russian physiologists who were actually studying space exploration and trying to get the Russians up to space.

And so therefore they were looking at, well, how do we ensure that we get these astronauts in the best physiological shape that we possibly can?

And so they just started measuring everything.