Dr. Jay Wiles

It says, trying to change the mind with the mind is a bit like tug of war.

It's very difficult.

You can kind of get into these nasty impasses and you're just always butting heads.

But changing the mind with the body tends to be a lot more efficient.

And it is the thing that can bridge the gap and segue us into doing the top-down processing.

Because all the things that you mentioned before, cognitive behavioral therapy, ACT, all of these evidence-based psychotherapies are immensely valuable tools.

Like they are 100% needed and they're efficacious.

But if we can use something like this to augment what we're doing there.

and also allow us to open up from a nervous system perspective.

So this is where I might get a tiny bit esoteric, actually, which is not typically my thing.

But if we can leverage a tool like this, let's say before a therapy session, to open up the nervous system to receiving and saying, okay, I'm in an environment with my psychologist or my therapist.

This is a very safe environment because I'm communicating this with my body, with my nervous system.

This might be a really unique and amazing way to start really transitioning from...

just purely talk therapy and psychotherapeutics to now going more into using psychophysiology.

It's a method of self-preservation.

I'm trying to put together a piece of your story, how kind of like you creating that is a bit of self-preservation, but maybe there's something that I could link there.

But we're doing it all as a method to make sure that we continue our survival and pass on our gene pool.

Ooh, do you know lassitude?

You get a form of cognitive dissonance.

100%.