Dr. Jay Wiles

It's pulled you out.

Right.

So there's a direct connection there.

That's why I say that meditation and mindfulness is immensely important to include as a layer of what you're doing with biofeedback.

Otherwise, I think you're going to miss out on some of the other potential mental attunement benefits.

It's a great question.

I mean, it's a really interesting, great research study that could be done there.

What I will say, though, and I go back to the statement that I made before, is that I will take precision over effort and intention any day.

It doesn't mean that intention and effort work.

with precision don't yield the greatest benefits, but precision is key here because we know that the nervous system, like your baroreflex response and your respiratory sinus arrhythmia, so the characteristics that are contributing mostly to HRV,

They actually don't care.

They don't give a shit about your intention.

They don't care.

As long as you're breathing within rhythm, they're doing its work.

They're aligning.

Now, if you want to maximize that benefit, that's when we put them all together.

And that's where we can start to layer mindfulness.

So again, just to make sure I don't get misquoted here, mindfulness and meditation matter.

Like they're really important for what we do.

I think it's great to layer on them, but is it necessary or are we required to utilize that in order to have some appreciable nervous system benefit with through HRV biofeedback?