Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

Gacy attacked him verbally, threatened to rape him, said, you know, I could rape you on this floor and nobody would come to help you in time.

Basically, in so many words, saying you're mine, you're mine.

And it got very harrowing.

Gacy gave him a bracelet, a pair of underwear that he wanted him to wear the next day when he came back.

And it got really crazy.

And I thought when I read that book, you know, I was in more danger than I realized.

It was probably Gacy's hope that somehow he could find relief in the ballot courts that acted as the buffer between me and this madman.

I think that's the most frightening thing.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't use the word succeed often.

to talk about predators, but is in fact how they succeed as serial killers because they're under the radar.

They come across as normal.

Well-

I really can't claim any privileged expertise.

I'm not a researcher into neurology and so on.

But I think most mental health agree that it's some combination of those things.

Something wrong in the hard wiring, though, when a radiologist examined Gacy's brain following his execution and found no abnormalities that he...

But I think most people agree that there's something amiss in their hardwiring when they enter the world.

And then that interacts with their experiences.

Could John Gacy have not become a killer?