Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

And, uh,

He still, at the time I saw him on both of my visits, had hopes of having his death sentence overturned.

So I think he was on his behavior in the sense he wasn't going to attack me.

Even though while I was sitting next to him, he could just put those cuffed hands over my head and squeeze his massive forearms around my neck.

Nothing like that happened, but –

What was really sobering for me is some years later, he was executed in 1994.

My visits to him were in 1986 and 87, closer time of his execution.

And basically, it would have been clear to him that the gig is up.

My appeals exhausted.

And this kid who had corresponded with him, his idea was he was actually working under the tutelage of a very well-known psychologist.

This was like his freshman honors college or freshman honors in college.

Yeah.

And his idea was, I'm going to posture as the ideal victim for a number of incarcerated serial killer, including Gacy.

And with Gacy, he postured as a sexually confused product, a dysfunctional family.

And Gacy and he began exchanging pornographic fantasies by letter.

And then Gacy invited him, come visit me.

young man went on to write a book called The Last Victim, which tells about his time with Gacy.

And it was very clear from his description that he met Gacy in the same way I did.

The setting was the same.

And the situation was totally different.