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Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

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586 total appearances

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And so I diagnosed many people as having antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

In my experience, personality, severe personality disorders were the most common diagnosis among death penalty patients.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

You know, some people think, well, a personality disorder, that's like that guy down the street who I can't stand, he's a jerk.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

But mental health professionals use the term in a very different way.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

It speaks to a very calcified, deeply ingrained personality disorder.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

For example, if one of the characteristics of antisocial personality is the inability to experience empathy, well, it's a pretty big deal.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

I mean, if you're not able to experience empathy- Yeah, it's a bit of a problem, eh?

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

A bit of a problem in the social world, and you're likely to get in trouble.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

So it's not like, in my testimony, I was trying to shield the jury from really damning characteristics of the people I evaluated, but I tried not to use really incendiary words like psychopath.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

It does.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And that was a big part of my job.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

A lot of those death penalty cases pled out before trial, but a lot of them went to trial.

3193.608 View full episode β†’
I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

At least in the United States, what happens in a death penalty case is there's the first trial, which is

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

you know, what everybody knows, guilt or innocence.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And then if the person's found guilty, which they nearly always were, then the second is the sentencing or mitigation phase.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And that's basically where it's the defense's show to put on expert witnesses, testimony from family members, physicians, whatever.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And that's where I would usually come in

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

to tell the story that I'd learned as a result of my investigation into this person's background, usually involved not just multiple interviews, the convicted murderer and testing, but interviews with collateral informants like family members, sometimes former coaches, Cub Scout leaders, you know, whatever, to try to tell as complete a story as I could tell.

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

And one of the things I always emphasize is that

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I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin
Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

I was never, ever there to advocate for the defense cause.

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