Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

And he put up a witness stand and thundered for more than an entire day about why these murders were justified.

And, you know, it was just outrageous.

And he went on and on and on like he was in the pulpit.

I remember I read his whole unsworn statement and he came to the part about killing the children.

And he says, now we come to the touchy subject of children.

And then he justified it with these scriptures he read.

So a very bad guy.

But my point, I went to see him on death row.

I saw him before I met him, and he was like lumbering around, just waiting for the next order that he got from one of the guards.

He didn't look like he was in control of anything.

He had just kind of become this subservient, habituated, narrow guy.

I remember this.

This is just a funny – I think it's funny.

This guy was well known in Ohio because he had been the leader of an insurrectionist group of prisoners at the maximum security prison in Ohio called Lucasville.

There was a riot there in 1993.

And George, George Gates, was like the spokesperson for the inmates.

And he was a big career criminal, like his hands were like baseball mitts.

A very likable guy, been in prison forever.

But I remember this because I went to see George to continue an interview with him the day after 9-11.

George, I remember George says, you know what?