Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

Yeah, very disarming.

I remember after I spent with him on death row in Illinois back in 1986, I called my wife from this fleabag hotel that Gacy had recommended for me that

And she said, my wife said, so what were your impressions of Gacy?

And I said, well, he's the sort of guy, if I walked into a bar for a beer and he was sitting there and I sat next to him, within minutes we would be talking.

He would seem totally unthreatening.

He would talk about politics, sports.

What I would eventually notice, before too long actually, was that he had literally no interest in my point of view at all.

It always came back to him.

He would pause and make a perfunctory...

Where did you say you're from?

Or what do you do?

And then immediately it would go back to him.

So that would have stuck out.

But he would come across as a very normal guy.

And he's a world-class bullshitter.

I mean, he could just talk and talk and talk.

And what happened with these young men...

Quite a few of them he picked up trolling the streets of downtown Chicago.

Some of them were addicted to drugs and into prostitution.

Gacy would pick them up, drug them typically, put chloroform over their face in a mask or some sort of towel, and they would come to at his house.