Dr Jeni Haynes

Now it puzzled me because it really broke up the entire setting and I thought it was a bit bizarre.

It's only when I walked in as an adult and realised that from standing in the doorway, I would have been reflected in that mirror.

And that's when it hit me how calculating and how aware my father was of danger of being found out.

And that's why we have to have a two-minute break after we walked into his bedroom because...

Everything just made sense.

I just want to tell you, this is one of the best interviews I've ever had.

When we went back for the walkthrough in 2015, I would say that when we walked up to the house, there would have been at least 250 altars in the body at the same time.

And everyone is going, look, the rockery's still there.

The fence on the side, although the fence itself has changed, it's in exactly the same position as where Dad put the barrier so we couldn't escape.

Everything was the same.

And then we were able to go through and talk about what was different.

But as to having a Jenny that was there, we had a frontrunner at the time and she was there.

And this is the person that most, a frontrunner is the person that you would engage with if you were seeing Jenny.

You meet me on the street and you say hello and you're talking to the Jenny that is the frontrunner.

And everybody else is behind.

And what's that frontrunner Jenny like?

The one in 2015, she was beautiful.

That does not mean you are not beautiful.

I walked right into that, didn't I?

So the Jenny that we had, she was strong.