Dr Jeni Haynes

So they were trying to... Yeah.

This is difficult because we'd all... We'd started at 1,000 charges.

Then we were asked to give what was termed the non-negotiables, the things that Dad was going to plead guilty to.

So the 85 things he went into court with were already the non-negotiables.

Yes.

Symphony referred to this as the non-negotiables.

I don't know where the goat fits in.

but we did the non-negotiables.

And it was difficult because they wanted to make it a plea that he would see as in his favour, so he would agree to it.

But it was very hard to see those numbers just keep dropping.

So he...

the prosecution, this was the moment where I started to feel empowered.

So suddenly it was, what do you want?

And we wanted 367, but we were faced with, you need to get it down to a reasonable number.

And I'm thinking, and 367 isn't reasonable.

How many times did he attack me?

How many thousands of times?

And don't forget, there are hundreds of other attacks that aren't in that statement because we could not particularise when they happened.

We knew what happened, but we couldn't tell you whether it was 1977 or 1980.

So if we couldn't find a hook to hang it on, we had to cut it already.