Dr Jeni Haynes

been with us ever since.

Oh, yes, yes.

On his desk.

He saw it every day when he started work and he looked at it every day when he ended work.

I personally think that's just nightmare.

But it motivated Paul.

And when we were getting knockbacks from people who thought, you know, this woman's a bit Lulu, you know, there's something very wrong with her because she can remember everything, everything Daddy said, everything that he did, what he said, when he said it, how he said it.

And people really struggle to believe that.

But to me, I mean, when they tell you, now this is just my, one of my things that annoys me is,

that you cannot get justice if you were abused under the age of five, unless you are still a child when you talk about it, which is often impossible to do.

And why?

Because the community justice systems have a difficulty believing that you can remember what happened to you when you're a tiny child.

Now, if we think about that for a few seconds,

That's a get out of jail free card for every child molester in the world.

Rape your child before the age of five and they'll never get justice.

Because it's not seen as credible.

Exactly.

But trauma memory stays in your head in a different way from non-traumatic memories.

Yes.

I can't remember every day getting up, cleaning my teeth, having a bath or whatever.