Dr. John Bergsma

Right, yeah, which has completely changed.

Although I won't claim to have it as bad as those who were sitting pastors when they converted.

At least I was in grad school and had a few years to kind of recalculate.

But I would say that except this dark night, except the passion that the Lord is giving you,

be detached from those relationships and, but, but have hope because it gets better on the other side.

And, and you, you may be, you may be overjoyed to see what God does on the other side of the suffering.

Yeah, absolutely.

So there's so many different elements of that, Matt.

First of all, it is true that we can pray directly to God and Catholics do pray directly to God.

And we can ask God to forgive our sins.

And we do, like on a daily basis.

Like that's part of my prayer.

I do.

I break my daily what we call mental prayer.

That's kind of the traditional terminology of kind of like interior conversation prayer in the Catholic traditions.

You generally call it mental prayer because it's kind of as opposed to vocal prayer.

And I usually pray adoration, confession, thanksgiving, and supplication.

I kind of break my prayer into those four sections.

So I'll spend a few minutes every day just praying and confession, you know, and confessing to God my failings and so on.

And on a weekly basis, I'll bring those to the priest.