Dr. John Bergsma

But I appreciate that, Matt, because he was sincere.

This is what he truly believed.

And he didn't soft pedal.

And he was concerned about my salvation.

Yeah.

I took that better than people who were indifferent because it's not something to be indifferent about.

You should be upset if somebody becomes Catholic and you think it's a false religion.

You should try to give them a fraternal correction.

Was he open to conversation or not really?

Well, yeah, we got into it though.

And then I started quoting scripture that defended Catholic faith.

a truth and once he saw that there were some scriptures that supported different catholic beliefs he kind of got a little bit uh unsettled and then he didn't want to talk about it anymore and then he dropped it okay so we didn't have we didn't have a lengthy conversation

That's very painful.

I would say that this is the manifestation of Jesus' cross in your life right now, that you're going to have to go through a kind of personal passion.

where, like many of the saints, like Abraham had to detach himself from Isaac and make a pure offering.

And you're going to have to make an offering of your family relationships.

But I would also say it is highly likely that God will give that back to you.

And that's what happened.

I had to face the possibility of severing all of my family relationships and that maybe they would never recover.

Not to mention your career trajectory.