Dr. John Bergsma
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Grandfather.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He, he found out through the grapevine cause we, uh, we went to see him for Thanksgiving.
Um.
Were you an, like an employed person?
You were a Protestant pastor?
No, I was in graduate school at a Catholic university at Notre Dame.
For roughly five years prior to entering my doctoral program.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, yeah.
So we went over to her grandparents' house for Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving following our entrance into the church.
And so we had been Catholic for a number of months,
but had not seen them face to face.
And I remember walking up to the door of my wife's grandparents' home and my grandfather-in-law, you know, coming to the door and opening the door quickly and say, John, you're leading your family to hell.
It's like, oh.
And he meant it, he wasn't joking.
No, he wasn't joking.
He was angry.
He meant it, you know?