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Dr. John Bergsma

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Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And what I'd say is that those distinctions are helpful and they're helpful to bring clarity to the situation so that we do not

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

begin to give the adoration or the worship of God, which is due to him alone, to an image or to a saint, et cetera.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

So those distinctions help rather than hurt the desire not to slide into idolatry.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And it became necessary because the language of scripture itself was not precise enough to make the distinction.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

Because in the New Testament, for example, you have a word in Greek, proskuneo, which means both to bow down, but typically in the New Testament, specifically to worship.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And people come and they worship Jesus frequently in the New Testament.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

But that same word proskuneo a couple of times is used for a person.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

So in Matthew 18, the servant who was forgiven greatly

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

Actually, let me clarify.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

In Matthew 18, that's the story of the unforgiving servant.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And he's forgiven by the king.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And then he goes out and tries to choke this guy who owes him like a hundred bucks.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And it says that that servant fell down and worshiped the other one, proskuneo, using the word that's usually used for worshiping Jesus.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

Oh, interesting.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

But in that parable, it's not considered wrong or that he's doing something bad.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

He's just showing honor or deference to this more senior servant.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

Likewise, in Revelation 3, Jesus is writing to the churches in Asia Minor.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And he talks about how in the future, those who belong to the synagogue of Satan are gonna come and proskuneo to you, the Christians of whatever church it was that he was talking to there.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

And there, proskuneo is used in a sense of bowing down and showing honor or veneration the way that in ancient times people would to a king or a priest or a judge.

Pints With Aquinas
Your Protestant Objections ANSWERED (Dr. John Bergsma) | Ep. 583

But then at the end of Revelation, a couple of times, John falls down and proskuneos an angel and the angel says, no, no, no, no, you can't do that.