Dr. John Bergsma

And then I've said this many times, but I closed my eyes and I had this mental image of the Pope coming at me, John Paul II dressed as Darth Vader going, John, I am your father.

I was just like, oh no, this cannot be.

I felt like Luke, like I'm going to drop from the antenna or whatever it is that I'm hanging on and just die, you know.

I'd rather commit suicide than be reconciled.

And the next day I went out and I had decided in my heart that I was going to become Catholic at that point.

And Michael was asking me, well, you know, what did you think about the stuff I gave you to read?

What do you think about Ignatius of Antioch?

Do you have any objections?

And I'm like, no, actually I don't.

I think I'm going to have to become Catholic.

But the way I phrased it was, I think I'm going to have to go over to the dark side.

Because for Protestants, coming back to the Catholic Church, you feel like you're capitulating to the evil empire and admitting that the rebellion was wrong.

And there are a lot of analogies there.

But of course, it's not the evil empire.

It's the good empire.

Who was most angry or disappointed in you when you made that decision?

Two persons, my wife's grandfather and my closest brother.

So I called up my brother because we had decided to become Catholic and he called us up and invited us to spend Christmas at his house.

Well, we realized that as catechumens now, we were going to have to go to mass and that we were going to have to attend mass while we were staying with him over those days.

So I called up my brother to explain the situation to kind of prep him for the fact that this is gonna happen.