Dr. John Bergsma

And so I went back and I started, you know, talking again with Michael and kind of we proceeded again.

I've said many times when I finally...

When I finally got into reading the Apostolic Fathers and read the line from Ignatius of Antioch, where he says, stay away from anyone who refuses to confess the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which flesh suffered for our sins and which flesh the Father in his goodness raised up.

Kept reading that line over and over.

That's a very, very early testimony to the real presence from a church father who was a disciple of the Apostle John.

And I was so convicted by that.

I was like, oh, gosh, you know, the real presence is the original teaching.

Ignatius must have got it from the Apostle John.

If he got it from the Apostle John, then this is what John 6 means.

If this is what John 6 means, then I'm faced with the testimony both of sacred scripture and of early martyrs.

And those who knew the apostles, how am I going to withstand the testimony of Scripture and the early martyrs and contraband them?

And if I'm not going to do that, then that means I've got to become Catholic because only the Catholics have stayed true to the teaching of the real presence.

Yeah.

And some Protestants.

The Orthodox, yeah.

I don't know, it's squishy, I think, even among the high Protestants, but...

You could say the Orthodox, but the Orthodox were off the table for me as an option because this autocephalous nationalist churches, to me, that was just perpetuating Babylon, Babel, I should say.

And I could see that, no, the church should be universal, not in national ethnic groups.

So they were kind of off the table.

So I was like, no, I need to become Catholic.