Dr John Izzo

Okay.

John, what would your response be to the values that would keep us going?

Okay, that's brilliant.

Thank you.

Right, we'll run with that.

We might come back for a second go at some point, but that's grand because I think we've run out of time.

Did either of you have any brief thing that you wanted to say to the listeners as a new year kind of step into 2026?

Suzette, then Joan?

Yay!

In that case, we'll leave it at that.

Thank you, Suzette Masters and John Izzo, for coming on to the Accidental Gods podcast.

It has been a pleasure.

And there we go.

That's it for another week.

Enormous thanks to John and Suzette for everything that you are and do, for being willing to explore the edges of the things that we think we know, so that we can find the new things that stand just beyond those finite edges.

Because I genuinely believe that we need to be far, far more radical as we step into this year than we ever imagined even this time last year.

The world is changing faster than we know.

The world is probably changing faster than we can know.

So it's up to us to do the inner work and the outer work.

The work of connecting all parts of ourselves, ourselves and each other, ourselves and the web of life, so that we can come to some kind of coherent, unified, values-led way forward that we would call Thrutopian.