Dr John Izzo

Oh, did they?

Has anybody, this is a question to which I do not know the answer.

And then we're coming back to Suzette for a final bit before we stop.

But if everybody decides to gerrymander in the way that is seems to be happening.

I assume there are more red states who can create more new fictional seats in Congress than there are blue states that can create blue seats in Congress.

And therefore, that's Congress gone forever.

Is that the case?

For sure.

But whatever train we're hooked to, they're all taking us over the edge of the cliff at the moment.

It's just, we need a new train.

Or we need it not to be a train in the first place.

Yeah, we definitely need a new train.

So final question, because I realise we're running out of time.

Suzette, you've done, and we didn't forget to, future casting.

But I'm still curious from both of you, if we were to future cast the best possible democracy, mine would not have parties, yours clearly would, but I don't understand how you have parties and still not have corruption.

Maybe this is the wrong question.

Maybe the better question is, what are the values that everyone could coalesce around that would take us forward to a livable future so that your granddaughter gets to be our age?

Presumably somewhere there is an ecosystem that's still alive because you can't live in a concrete jungle.

Correct.

Yeah.