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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1522 total appearances

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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

I wouldn't claim for a moment that that had any effect whatsoever. The degree of cynicism that characterizes someone like that is almost... It's very difficult to develop an appreciation for evil. It's not a fun place to go. And to do it properly, you also have to start to recognize it in yourself. And that is not pleasant.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

I wouldn't claim for a moment that that had any effect whatsoever. The degree of cynicism that characterizes someone like that is almost... It's very difficult to develop an appreciation for evil. It's not a fun place to go. And to do it properly, you also have to start to recognize it in yourself. And that is not pleasant.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And as I said, for example, the naive empathic types, they really do believe that most... of the criminals are misunderstood victims. And you know, what's terrible about that is that some of the criminals are misunderstood victims. You know, there are people in prison who, under duress of various sorts, made one extremely stupid mistake and ended up seriously punished for it.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And as I said, for example, the naive empathic types, they really do believe that most... of the criminals are misunderstood victims. And you know, what's terrible about that is that some of the criminals are misunderstood victims. You know, there are people in prison who, under duress of various sorts, made one extremely stupid mistake and ended up seriously punished for it.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

Okay, so let's just put those people off the table. We can ignore them. 1% of the criminals commit 65% of the crimes. Okay, so those are the people that we're looking at. Recalcitrant repeat offenders with a proclivity for violence. Okay, can you repair them? No. The standard penological theory is that part of their problem is actually delayed maturation for whatever reason.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

Okay, so let's just put those people off the table. We can ignore them. 1% of the criminals commit 65% of the crimes. Okay, so those are the people that we're looking at. Recalcitrant repeat offenders with a proclivity for violence. Okay, can you repair them? No. The standard penological theory is that part of their problem is actually delayed maturation for whatever reason.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

You just put them in prison until they're in their late 20s, and then they're much less likely to reoffend. Why? Did they learn? That's one way of thinking about it. They're less impulsive and sensation-seeking as a consequence of maturity, and likely some of it is just delayed maturity. But it has very little to do with rehabilitation. and a lot to do with age.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

You just put them in prison until they're in their late 20s, and then they're much less likely to reoffend. Why? Did they learn? That's one way of thinking about it. They're less impulsive and sensation-seeking as a consequence of maturity, and likely some of it is just delayed maturity. But it has very little to do with rehabilitation. and a lot to do with age.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

You know, the male crime curve spikes at 15, and even among normal males, let's say, they're much more likely to misbehave as testosterone and maturation kick in, and then you see a return to something approximating normal behavior, usually by the time of 24 or 25, when men take on more of the mature responsibilities of life. And the criminal pattern is

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

You know, the male crime curve spikes at 15, and even among normal males, let's say, they're much more likely to misbehave as testosterone and maturation kick in, and then you see a return to something approximating normal behavior, usually by the time of 24 or 25, when men take on more of the mature responsibilities of life. And the criminal pattern is

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

approximately equivalent to that, although the lag to maturity is longer. But no, it's There's no evidence that I find credible that the cluster B psychopathologies are amenable to psychotherapeutic intervention. I don't think so. And they're also generally a very, very, very, very, you need a lot of verys to make that right, very difficult population to work with. And you do that at your peril.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

approximately equivalent to that, although the lag to maturity is longer. But no, it's There's no evidence that I find credible that the cluster B psychopathologies are amenable to psychotherapeutic intervention. I don't think so. And they're also generally a very, very, very, very, you need a lot of verys to make that right, very difficult population to work with. And you do that at your peril.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

Well, we know this because one of the things we know, for example, is so the dark tetrad males are differentially attractive to women. but mostly younger and naive women. Okay, so why? Well, the typical dark tetrad type is very confident and not anxious. Okay, so why would that be attractive to women? Because men who are competent in their domain are confident and not anxious.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

Well, we know this because one of the things we know, for example, is so the dark tetrad males are differentially attractive to women. but mostly younger and naive women. Okay, so why? Well, the typical dark tetrad type is very confident and not anxious. Okay, so why would that be attractive to women? Because men who are competent in their domain are confident and not anxious.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

What the predatory psychopaths do is mimic that. And naive women can't tell the difference. And so they can be more attracted to the dark tetrad types, especially when they're young. And then there's the additional complication that The even more pathological dark tetra types are very good at appealing to empathy by making claims of victimization. It's a nasty game.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

What the predatory psychopaths do is mimic that. And naive women can't tell the difference. And so they can be more attracted to the dark tetrad types, especially when they're young. And then there's the additional complication that The even more pathological dark tetra types are very good at appealing to empathy by making claims of victimization. It's a nasty game.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And the people who are good at it They're better at it than you are at detecting it. I knew Robert Hare. Robert Hare was the first clinical psychologist who really delved into psychopathy and non-clinical psychopathy. And he recorded 200 conversations with like brutal criminal psychopaths. And he was quite an agreeable person, Robert Hare.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And the people who are good at it They're better at it than you are at detecting it. I knew Robert Hare. Robert Hare was the first clinical psychologist who really delved into psychopathy and non-clinical psychopathy. And he recorded 200 conversations with like brutal criminal psychopaths. And he was quite an agreeable person, Robert Hare.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And he said invariably that while he was talking to them, they had him convinced. And it wasn't until afterwards when he was watching the videos that he could see the tricks. And that's because these people are watching you more than you're watching them. And they're seeing... which tricks work on you. And that's the goal of the game.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Jordan Peterson: 5 Ways to Shift Envy into Growth & How to Recognize and Pursue Your True Calling

And he said invariably that while he was talking to them, they had him convinced. And it wasn't until afterwards when he was watching the videos that he could see the tricks. And that's because these people are watching you more than you're watching them. And they're seeing... which tricks work on you. And that's the goal of the game.