Dr. Kate Lister

And he actually did not cut down a cherry tree. Or was it an apple tree? But anyway, this story about George Washington and his so-called love affair is really a nothing burger. There's really no there there. And I'm surprised that this is actually a thing. The story is when he was a young man, late teens, early 20s.

And he actually did not cut down a cherry tree. Or was it an apple tree? But anyway, this story about George Washington and his so-called love affair is really a nothing burger. There's really no there there. And I'm surprised that this is actually a thing. The story is when he was a young man, late teens, early 20s.

And he actually did not cut down a cherry tree. Or was it an apple tree? But anyway, this story about George Washington and his so-called love affair is really a nothing burger. There's really no there there. And I'm surprised that this is actually a thing. The story is when he was a young man, late teens, early 20s.

He was staying with his brother Lawrence at Mount Vernon, and they would often visit their neighbors, which was George Fairfax, who was a fabulously wealthy British gentleman, and his young and pretty wife, Sally. This couple would educate Washington on good manners and polite society, which I think indicates he must have been a bit of a hayseed. They would provide him with books to read.

He was staying with his brother Lawrence at Mount Vernon, and they would often visit their neighbors, which was George Fairfax, who was a fabulously wealthy British gentleman, and his young and pretty wife, Sally. This couple would educate Washington on good manners and polite society, which I think indicates he must have been a bit of a hayseed. They would provide him with books to read.

He was staying with his brother Lawrence at Mount Vernon, and they would often visit their neighbors, which was George Fairfax, who was a fabulously wealthy British gentleman, and his young and pretty wife, Sally. This couple would educate Washington on good manners and polite society, which I think indicates he must have been a bit of a hayseed. They would provide him with books to read.

He developed quite a crush on the wife, Sally. And nothing happened. And when he was 25, he married Martha Custis and the two couples socialized till 1773 when the Fairfaxes returned to England. And he did write Sally a couple of letters saying that some of the happiest moments in his life had been spent in her company. And that's it.

He developed quite a crush on the wife, Sally. And nothing happened. And when he was 25, he married Martha Custis and the two couples socialized till 1773 when the Fairfaxes returned to England. And he did write Sally a couple of letters saying that some of the happiest moments in his life had been spent in her company. And that's it.

He developed quite a crush on the wife, Sally. And nothing happened. And when he was 25, he married Martha Custis and the two couples socialized till 1773 when the Fairfaxes returned to England. And he did write Sally a couple of letters saying that some of the happiest moments in his life had been spent in her company. And that's it.

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.