Dr. Kate Lister

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

I don't think there's a one, really. I think he was probably very boring sexually.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

Right. So Thomas Jefferson, though he was a founding father of the United States and a brilliant man in several different respects, he was really not a decent human being in my view. I was shocked to discover that. But he had an enslaved woman named Sally Hemings. He had gotten her pregnant when she was 16. She ended up having seven children with him.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

And when he was president in the first decade of the 1800s, His political opponents got a tabloid journalist to dig into this story. I mean, many people knew about it. You know, they would see his son who looked just like him. Wow. And so these stories got out there.

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

And he said, if you come back with me, I'll provide for you and the child, and I'll free all the children when they're 21. She ended up having seven kids, four of them survived infancy. And, you know, when they were 21, there was no freedom. Now, he did not put them in the fields or in the very arduous tasks. He taught them how to be carpenters so they had skills, they could earn money.

And he said, if you come back with me, I'll provide for you and the child, and I'll free all the children when they're 21. She ended up having seven kids, four of them survived infancy. And, you know, when they were 21, there was no freedom. Now, he did not put them in the fields or in the very arduous tasks. He taught them how to be carpenters so they had skills, they could earn money.