Dr. Kate Lister

But, you know, Jefferson was such a successful president in many ways, and he doubled the size of the country by organizing the Louisiana Purchase. And so in the next election, people, you know, the voters just didn't really care about that he had this relationship.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

Well, I think it was quite common, quite common indeed. I think the difference with Jefferson is that he was president and there were certainly people who disapproved, especially up in the non- slaveholding states in New England, for instance. They thought it was pretty disgusting.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

I think he wanted them around him. He promised her. They were in France. He was the US ambassador. when she first became pregnant at 16. She had gone there to bring his daughter over. And he told her, you know, she knew that if she stayed in France, she would be free because France did not recognize slavery.

And he said, if you come back with me, I'll provide for you and the child, and I'll free all the children when they're 21. She ended up having seven kids, four of them survived infancy. And, you know, when they were 21, there was no freedom. Now, he did not put them in the fields or in the very arduous tasks. He taught them how to be carpenters so they had skills, they could earn money.

And he said, if you come back with me, I'll provide for you and the child, and I'll free all the children when they're 21. She ended up having seven kids, four of them survived infancy. And, you know, when they were 21, there was no freedom. Now, he did not put them in the fields or in the very arduous tasks. He taught them how to be carpenters so they had skills, they could earn money.

And he said, if you come back with me, I'll provide for you and the child, and I'll free all the children when they're 21. She ended up having seven kids, four of them survived infancy. And, you know, when they were 21, there was no freedom. Now, he did not put them in the fields or in the very arduous tasks. He taught them how to be carpenters so they had skills, they could earn money.

Some of them, you know, served in the house. But, you know, at a certain point, they all just left without his permission. They just left. Two of them could pass as white. And they changed their names and disappeared. Wow.

Some of them, you know, served in the house. But, you know, at a certain point, they all just left without his permission. They just left. Two of them could pass as white. And they changed their names and disappeared. Wow.

Some of them, you know, served in the house. But, you know, at a certain point, they all just left without his permission. They just left. Two of them could pass as white. And they changed their names and disappeared. Wow.

She was. There was a legal thing that they did where she was just sort of freed. And that's what happened to her. But, you know, he spent his last few years entertaining lavishly and he did not have the money. And he knew as he was getting older that when he died, hundreds of his enslaved people were going to be put on the auction block and sold off and families split up.

She was. There was a legal thing that they did where she was just sort of freed. And that's what happened to her. But, you know, he spent his last few years entertaining lavishly and he did not have the money. And he knew as he was getting older that when he died, hundreds of his enslaved people were going to be put on the auction block and sold off and families split up.

She was. There was a legal thing that they did where she was just sort of freed. And that's what happened to her. But, you know, he spent his last few years entertaining lavishly and he did not have the money. And he knew as he was getting older that when he died, hundreds of his enslaved people were going to be put on the auction block and sold off and families split up.

And that's exactly what happened to them. Instead of trying to free them, which wasn't always easy at the time legally, he just figured out they'd be sold and then the money would go to his daughters, pay off his debts for entertaining them.

And that's exactly what happened to them. Instead of trying to free them, which wasn't always easy at the time legally, he just figured out they'd be sold and then the money would go to his daughters, pay off his debts for entertaining them.

And that's exactly what happened to them. Instead of trying to free them, which wasn't always easy at the time legally, he just figured out they'd be sold and then the money would go to his daughters, pay off his debts for entertaining them.

Yeah, when DNA first came out in the 90s, there were tests done. You know, the thing about DNA is sometimes it just gives you a general idea of where the DNA came from. So people who did not want to believe our founding father had all these children with his enslaved woman said it could be his brother.