Dr. Keith Humphreys

And then also the bladder damage you get from it.

You know, you get young people with sort of 60-year-old bladders from ketamine.

And like that is, you know, most urologists have seen this now.

It's like why is someone at 25 coming in with this?

It's like because their bladder has been damaged by ketamine.

So those are significant...

you know, side effects.

So it would not be the thing I would jump to.

If I had treatment-resistant depression, which has got to be said, is a terribly, you know, challenging, you know, condition to deal with, I'd be far more likely to actually do the SAINT protocol that Nolene Williams developed with RTMS,

the effects of that for treatment-resistant pressure are so much clearer in my view and the downsides are, as far as I can see, virtually nil.

In our country, I mean, RTMS for depression is approved, you know, and so you can get it, you know, at clinics that have this technology.

These are big, expensive machines, so I'm sure there's lots of places where they're not local.

But, you know, yeah, it's covered.

I think Medicare actually covers it.

Whether they cover the specific protocol that Nolan did, I'm honestly not sure, you know, because there was a lower intensity one, and Nolan's, you know...

genius was to compress this treatment.

So people would come in, you know, five days in a row and have 10 minutes on, 50 minutes off, I believe that's the rate, all day long, five days.

and with a theta burst setting for the RTMS.

And, you know, I've seen some people's lives just absolutely changed by that.

And you can see, I mean, it's a trial, it's a good trial.